These Colors Wont Run (D2 LA Mari's tent)

[Maester Simon]

"They might, lady Mariessa, they might." Simon nodded. "But such a thing would be hard to prove without access to house Tyrell's histories. Which might not reach as far as the time of Conquest. The noble houses rarely copy their histories, and in time paper crumbles." he sighed, seemingly lamenting the fact. "Something I could ask the Tyrell maester, should I ever meet him."

"Oh..." Simon blinked. "Very good lady Alicent. The Oldflowers are hardly a big family. Is your brother as learned as you are mayhaps?" Such a talented man could make an excellent husband for Tremaine girls. Especially for Jynessa, Simon thought to himself. "Yes, the red bend sinister is the sigil of a bastard like lady Alicent said, and where house Gardener had vert hand on argent, the Oldflowers have argent hands, several, on vert. Maester Vaben suggests this suggests that the two houses could be related. Especially when you consider the meaning of 'flower' in Reach." Chances were the girls had met several Flowers already. "Why would you think I bring this up?"

"Lady Jynessa, uh... I see. Well, I guess you are excused." he sounded surprised, but she had no reason to doubt her.

[Alicent Feyther]

She echoed the sigh at the loss of records quietly, then replied, "Oh... No, according to Maester Vernan, they never had much interest in such details. Though I'm far too young to have studied with them to know first hand."

At the prompt, she looked to Mari or Jyn to see if they wanted to answer before she proposed anything. It sounded like something similar to her House's founding, but it was their lesson.

[Mariessa Tremaine]

Mari narrowed her eyes a little at Jyn, but said nothing that would undo her sister's excuse.

Turning back to the lesson, she shrugged. "Carry on, Lady Alicent. This is a little more than I know..."

[Alicent Feyther]

She didn't worry about Jyn's excuse herself. "Well... I'd guess from what you said... Oldflowers was founded by a bastard of House Gardener? Sort of like House Longwaters and Feyther's origins," she offered at Mari's prompt. "Not from Gardener, of course, with those."

[Jynessa Tremaine]

Jyn gave a small curtsy and then spun about to depart as quickly as possible. "Arbor gold," she muttered under her breath.

[Maester Simon]

"Mmhm, I'll let your father know why you missed the lesson." Simon smiled gently to Jyn before returning his attention to the remaining ladies. "So I brought the Oldflowers up because the arms often tell a story, if one's willing to listen. Or to see deeper than the colors themselves would suggest. While many chose their colors based on some historical event, or some seemingly positive properties - sometimes the arms tell a tale of lineages. House Sloane could be an example of such, seeing how their field is divided neatly into two - perhaps a sign of two houses joining forces in the past. House Lyberr could have a similar story - if one cared to look into it." he shuffled through his papers, seeing for a particular scroll.

"See this. These are the Sloane arms." his long, finger drew a long between the yellow and blue. "And this is why maester Vaben thinks that their colors might hide colors of two houses, long lost to the history."


"And this.. belongs to house Lyber."

He patted the cat and the jug. "Lyber is a noble house, with esteemed past. And yet, it seems that no stories of their colors remain."

"Would lady Alicent recall if any such arms exist in Westerlands?" the dark brown eyes moved to the Feyther girl.

[Alicent Feyther]

"I wonder if there's a connection to House Dondarrion... They're the only other house I can think of that uses of fur of four-pointed stars. Or maybe they're both connected to one even older," she mused to herself, then looked toward Mari. "What do you think?"

It takes her a moment to think of one, but then finally says, "There's House Doggett... They blazon their arms with a black raven on a white field and a white unicorn on a green field. I remember seeing more split shields like that in the Stormlands especially."

[Mariessa Tremaine]

"Hmm... the yellow half does make me think of Dornish coats-of-arms I've seen," she wasn't really sure, but at least she spoke her mind on the subject. "Dondarrion seems like a sound theory. Though I wouldn't rule out something related to the Martells either, as they have a similar motif. Not quite the same though, but similar."

Mari regarded the cat and jug, a humourous smile on her lips. "Maybe someone had a black cat who was fond of milk, which is white? Sometimes things can be plainer than they seem."

[Alicent Feyther]

"Mm... Yes... Donniger, too. Maybe there's some relation to the Martells in both?" She wondered. She smiled and laughed. "I kind of hope that's the origin. It's adorable."

[Maester Simon]

"Or then it's merely a coincidence. Some emblems repeat fairly often. Lions, flowers, balls, to name few common emblems." the young master explained, his tone soft. "Sometimes the balls stand for coin, sometimes for fruit." his fingers drew several small circles on the paper to emphasize his point. "Thus it's not only the emblem one must look, but also the colors, as with Gardeners and Oldflowers."

"Perhaps, but that ought to have been one magnificent pussy to so proudly displayed." a soft chuckled escaped his lips. "Or perhaps there were two houses, perhaps one proud of it's jugs - or more practically pottery. Maybe the other house chose the cat as a lucky emblem, to force their enemies strike a black cat. Perhaps they were hoping some superstitious fools would balk at striking an emblem of a cat. Maester Vaben does not offer an explanation, but should I ever meet anyone from the house, I will certainly ask them."

"House Doggett could well be one of the houses born out of union of two." Simon nodded to Alicent the umpteenth time. The young noblewoman kept surprising him. "House Vikary could also be such a house, as there are several ways to combine arms in case of an union. "So, ladies, please list all the ways of combining existing arms you can think of."